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Talking About Independent Learning

Heidi Priesnitz and Tracy Robinson were both in their early 20s when this article was written. Heidi is largely self-educated and the eldest daughter of Natural Life's publisher and editor. Tracy was entirely public schooled and was Natural Life's publishing assistant. They interviewed each other about the differences in their educational and life experiences.

Heidi: My experience with homeschooling was entirely unstructured. No kitchen table classroom. No parent as teacher. No curriculum. No grades. Nothing remotely school-like at all.

quote by a grown unschoolerI grew up free of the structure of school, choosing my own paths of study, my own schedule, and my own instructors – if I chose any at all! Today, I am self-educated, self confident and happily (and successfully) self-employed – partly, I think, because I didn't go to school and partly because I grew up in the family business.

Choice was a big factor in my unschooling experience. My parents helped to guide me through my learning, but ultimately left the choices (and the responsibilities that go with having choices) up to me. I was able to choose what I wanted to learn and when. For that reason learning happened naturally, when I became interested. At one point in my life I chose not to attend school, and at another point (when I was 13) I chose to attend school. I was happy with both realities – in different ways – because they were my choices. To some extent, the experiences complemented each other. And going to school certainly made me appreciate what a wonderful life I had before I went to school!

Tracy: When I was growing up, I was very interested in trying my best at school. The gauge of my efforts was my school chums and the mark a teacher gave me. Did you ever question if you were learning fundamentals well and did you ever seek comparison with other kids?

Heidi: I learned through living. Nothing can prepare you for life nearly as well as living it. My parents recognized that the best learning is learning-by-doing, and they facilitated a lot of interesting experiences for me, whether it was driving me across town, paying for courses and lessons, or just including me in their lives.

So I was never aware of what “fundamentals” were. I learned what was important to me: How to tie my own shoes, how to write love notes to my parents, how to add up how much money was left in my bank account, how to make lasagna and apple crisp, how to ride my bike without falling off. I was completely satisfied with my ability to do the tasks that interested me, or I worked hard at something until I was pleased with my own proficiency.

To say that I never compared myself to anybody else would be inaccurate, but real comparison wasn't something I learned until I went to school. Even then, I had trouble understanding it. Comparison, to me, becomes competition, and I don't believe in competition. Competition is something that runs rampant at school, and probably in many conventional workplaces. I have tried most of my life to avoid those types of places.

Tracy: I know what you mean about competition for grades, but interacting with a large group of people my own age was one of the joys I derived from school. Did you sometimes miss that?

Heidi: I interacted with many people on a regular basis, both individuals and large groups of people of all different ages. I think that socializing with a large group of people your own age is very unnatural. It was one of the things that really irritated me about high school. Actually, when I was in high school, my friends were rarely in the same grade, or they were teachers or support staff. I enjoy the company of people of all different ages.

Tracy: I, too, had some teachers who were incredible mentors. Other years, I had teachers I didn't like. What was it like having the same adults (your parents) monitor your progress over the years?

Heidi: My parents were two of my greatest mentors, but certainly not my only ones over the years. I was never consciously aware that my parents were monitoring my progress. There were never report cards. (Even at school, I disregarded my report cards. I think they're completely subjective and, actually, quite meaningless.) quote by someone who went to school

My parents and I developed a good long-term relationship. If you have a teacher you don't like, you either switch classes to avoid the teacher or count down the days until the end of the year. But if you're not getting along with one of your parents or family members, you need to resolve the problems. Problem-solving is one of the most necessary skills of all.

Tracy: Once you went to school, were you ever perceived by other students as different?

Heidi: I don't think the other students ever perceived me any differently; it was the teachers who did. Although rumors about the strange girl who'd never gone to school before filled the staff room quickly, none of the teachers could figure out that it was me. They expected a mouse who didn't know how to interact with other students, and who didn't know how to behave herself!

It was later that they started to notice the real differences – the main one being that I was interested in what they had to say, and wanted to be in their classes. Another big difference was that I wanted to be at school, and I knew I could leave school when I no longer wanted to be there. Because of this, I excelled in school – I worked very hard to take advantage of what I perceived to be an interesting opportunity.

Near the end of my high school experience, I wrote: “Although at the beginning I was distressed because I thought my home education was getting in the way of my success at school, I soon learned that I actually had many advantages over my peers. Because I was used to a resource-based style of learning, research and independent thinking came far more easily to me than to others. Also my interest and motivation far exceeded that of my peers. It amazed me, and often frustrated me, that everyone else spent their time and energy trying to avoid things, when I was eagerly awaiting them or searching them out.”

Tracy: A friend of mine recently homeschooled her twins, aged 12, and the next year they were back at the same school. Before the year was out, one of the children had been expelled due to a disagreement with her teacher about methodology. Do you have any comment on this incident?

Heidi: I was a very free-spirited little girl. Although I understand that in many situations – such as school – children who are free-spirited are said to be problematic, disruptive, unruly, and a whole host of other terrible things, I was encouraged by my family to do my own thing.

If you are a free-thinker or if you have opinions, school can be a very frustrating and detrimental place to be, because you're told that your opinions have no value and the teacher knows the right way. In order for schools to maintain order, there needs to be structure, and the needs and ideas of individuals must be suppressed, because a classroom full of individual methodologies would be chaotic. Of course, it's those individual methodologies that make the world the beautiful, creative place it is.

School is its own reality, one that is different from the rest of the world. A society filled with children who have learned the lesson that challenging authority is wrong and carries severe punishment is susceptible to the influences of powerful authority figures, whether they're dictators, pharmaceutical companies, or teachers.

I don't advocate violent or destructive means of questioning authority, but sometimes you have to ask questions, and you have to present your own point of view, and challenge common beliefs. And that shouldn't be punishable.

Tracy: What about creativity? I remember writing a poem when I was a teenager about how school had made me forget how to scribble or draw. How did home-based learning affect your confidence level and creativity?

Heidi: I find it difficult to know what I would have been like had I gone to school all those years. I have been a confident, creative person all my life, and I believe that a lot of that is as a result of not going to school. I've always had the time, freedom, and encouragement to explore my creativity.

Maybe self confidence is something that doesn't need to be built as much as it needs to be protected. My unschooling experience helped protect my self-confidence.

Tracy: What do you think was the greatest advantage of learning at home?

Heidi: When I was 14 and in grade 10, I wrote: “The place where I think that my education has really paid off is in my attitude and my outlook on life. I feel that because of unschooling, I have a lot more confidence in myself, and in others as well. I also feel that I have a better relationship with my family than I would have otherwise, just because I've been with them a lot more.”

I remember as a kid, enjoying the slogan “kids are people too,” and in my family we were. We were important – our ideas, our needs, and our concerns were listened to and taken seriously. We were included in the very real decisions that families (usually adults) must make. We were treated like full-sized people, even though we were small.

This interview was published in Natural Life Magazine in 1995.


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